there was an error in this statement – it should be
So, do we start saying that GS, DB, McK, BNP are NOT of-for-by top MBA guys as the world thinks?

So says the author – well and true. Who is stopping them? BTW, a lot of Indians working in other branches of engineering work in the US too.

2.They should not be crowded out by Indian IT firms who are well versed with the process of filing visas – so says the author

Who is stopping the other IT firms from other countries in being smart enough? I always thought the smartest wins

3. I can also give examples of people originally bodyshopped by TCS into the same MSFT Redmond campus and who are now on the payroll of
MSFT.MSFT is not a company of-for-by geniuses as you think – so says the author.

OK, but do they have the same designations? And yes, there are accountants, software guys etc in top consulting firms and I-banks too. So, do we start saying that GS, DB, McK, BNP are of-for-by top MBA guys as the world thinks?

4. Looking at the size of the IT industry and number of H-1 visas filed each year by Indian IT companies, do the math and see if it is possible that all IT professionals can be from “premier Institutes” in India.

Even that was what I said – but what I didn’t say is that all are products of body shops.

5. With due respect to the author, I suppose he / she being an alum – have taken one of these three routes to US
(a) PhD
(b) Entrepreneurship
(c) Working for some top I-bank / Consultancy

I have nothing to say in case of (b). In (a) and (c), I think he/ she should question his/her position first – why are there so many Indians in the US I-banks working at lower bonuses? Why are there so many Indians running for US PhDs? Don’t kid me that all of them are excellent researchers. I have seen enough of these PhD/ MS students in life running off to tier 2 / 3 /4 US colleges

Response to Kaushik
Just as you can give examples of IIT scholars working at MSFT Redmond,I can also give examples of people originally bodyshopped by TCS into the same MSFT Redmond campus and who are now on the payroll of
MSFT.MSFT is not a company of-for-by geniuses as you think.

Looking at the size of the IT industry and number of H-1 visas filed each year by Indian IT companies, do the math and see if it is possible that all IT professionals can be from “premier Institutes” in India.Hence the use of the term “average”.Can you suggest any other metric to decide the quality for such a large & diverse population ? Anyways, the original post was not about discussing the quality of IIT students or faculty or MSFT for that matter.

Response to pass887

I did not quote the exact reason for creation of H-1B visas from any US constitution policy manual (and neither did I claim that I did so) If you look at the number of green cards awarded each year through sponsorship, it is roughly 130K – twice that of 65K which is the number of H-1B visas available each year.Before 2000, when the number of H-1Bs was a steady 65K per annum, it was an unwritten rule that so long as people stuck with the same company for 4 years, a Green Card was a certainty in the EB2 category.(This period has now increased a lot for the EB-2 category.)..hence my statement….

The point is that smart people from other nationalities and branches in Engineering and Science should also get a chance to work in
USA.They should not be crowded out by Indian IT firms who are well versed with the process of filing visas (and who can always abuse the
L-1 Visa program).

False: The program was NOT created to allow people with superior knowledge/degrees/experience to be able to work in USA on a path which would ultimately lead to permanent residents

True: Congress created the H-1B visa program so an employer could hire a foreign guest-worker when a qualified American worker could not be found.

According to Senator Dick Durbin, “the H-1B visa program should complement the U.S. workforce, not replace it. However, the H-1B visa program is plagued with fraud and abuse and is now a vehicle for outsourcing that deprives qualified American workers of their jobs. Our bill will put a stop to the outsourcing of American jobs and discrimination against American workers.”

Pass S887 and end H-1b and L-1 Visa Fraud and Abuse

However, I do not agree on two counts:
1. The author has jacketed ALL IT companies in one bracket. This is far from the truth – a look at all the IT giants – Yahoo, Google, Microsoft, Adobe, Versata etc – well the proportion of Indians with IIT / NIT / Tier A engineering college degrees far outnumber any other race. This is not a mere armchair statement, one of my IIT KGP colleagues, currently at MSFT HO at RFedmond, has done a study on this. This is because of the simple fact that the best Indian students make it to these top flight companies, and generally are pretty sincere to make it to the top tier.

2. Average quality of education – what exactly? Well, in some courses like CS, EE etc, we Indians have more papers in IEEE etc than our American counterparts, books written by our professors are taught in major US Universities (again, this is not an armchair statement – Professor Partha Pratim Chakrabarty of IIT KGP is a well read author in Stanford and MIT). Well, in ALL fields of study, the average quality may not be right up there, but at least in IT related fields, our top flight institutions impart almost the same quality, if not better, education.